Chatting in #terrafusion:
sheep   = Me
Bal     = Le Francais
Yogi    = Fresh Team member suddenly let loose on #terrafusion
skull   = Responsible for my sheepness
Paul    = Unusually obstreperous for a change
than|q2 = Downloaded corrupted UT demo, poor chap

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<Bal> sheep... no, UT dont have no sp ;)
<Yogi> mm .. ut sp bots game ?
<sheep> botmatch
<sheep> not single player
<skull> ut sp is still kinda interesting
<Yogi> um that too
<sheep> ut botmatch
<Paul> SINGLE PLAYER!
<sheep> not ut single player
<Paul> yes
<Paul> it is single player
<Paul> you're playing on your own
<Yogi> heh
<sheep> no
<Paul> hence single player
<sheep> single player includes more than that
<Paul> bollocks
<Paul> its single player
<sheep> and does not include respawning and non-progressive games
<Bal> ack, the bots are supposed to incarnate other players
<Bal> so it isnt singler player
<Paul> it is
<sheep> exactly
<sheep> that reason too ball
<sheep> botmatch is dm against bots
<sheep> ummmm
<sheep> nope
<Paul> you will play it on your own
<skull> the bots have loads of info about them
<Yogi> good AI you mean ?
<skull> they've tried hard to make computer opponents
<sheep> botmatch is multiplayer against bots - more specifically
<Paul> its single player
<Paul> can't get around it
<Yogi> turn there skill up high and see them in action ...
<Paul> at least people will play it more
<sheep> paul there is no point repeating that as you simply cannot change the facts
<Paul> correct
<Yogi> there so dumb when you play on normal
<Paul> but its single player
<sheep> mmmm
<Yogi> hehe
<Paul> your argument of its against bots so its not SP is crap
<Paul> explain c&c?
<sheep> paul
<sheep> there is no argument
<sheep> at all
<sheep> it is simple facts
<Paul> yes but you're wrong
<Yogi> wow ...
<sheep> no
<sheep> i am not wrong
<Paul> sorry
<Paul> no
<sheep> i am merely reporting the facts and the facts are facts
<sheep> "don't shoot the messenger"
<sheep> don't like the facts....tough, you have to live with it
<Paul> by whom?
<sheep> you can't change them
<Paul> who facts are these?
<sheep> facts
<sheep> no-ones
<sheep> no-one owns facts
<sheep> they are just reality
<Paul> bullshit
<Paul> you're spouting bs
<Bal> hehe
<sheep> you are resorting to insults because you don't like the truth
<Paul> yeah
<sheep> i feel sorry for you....i quite accept the facts that botmatch is not sp, so i 
  have nothing to get upset about
<Paul> when asked who said these so called "FACTS" you couldn't come up with an 
  answer
<sheep> then again, there are plenty of other things that piss me off
<sheep> no-one said these facts
<sheep> they are simple reality
<Paul> right...
<sheep> accessible to anyone
<sheep> look at sp, look at botmatch, realise they are not the same
<sheep> anyone can do that and see the truth
<Paul> its still a single player game
<Paul> c&c is against the computer
<Paul> you gonna say thats not a singleplayer game?
<sheep> paul, that is an utterly different genre of game, so cannot be compared at 
  all
<sheep> you cannot draw any conclusion from looking at other genres of games
<Paul> same concept
<Paul> against the computer
<sheep> yes
<sheep> but a different genre of game
<sheep> so what is single player, "botmatch", "deathmatch", multiplayer is entirely 
  different
<sheep> those terms refer to specific aspects of gaming in specific genres and are 
  not always transferable
<Paul> your insistence that sp is a load of maps tagged together with a crappy story 
  stuck on doesn't hold
<sheep> no
<sheep> i didn't insist upon that
<Paul> it still, by pure logic, its played by 1 person
<Paul> so is a single player game
<sheep> i am insisting on nothing
<sheep> i am merely reporting reality
<Paul> shambler reality
<sheep> and the reality for FPS games, is that "single player" refers to more than 
  just being on your own
<sheep> there are set characteristics of single player
<Yogi> ok ...
<Paul> huh
<sheep> progression, not respawning, purpose, not being an attempt to mimic 
  multiplayer for example
<Paul> it will be progressive
<Paul> you start of and go through various challenges
<sheep> only by the combat
<Yogi> mm .. well
<Paul> until you get to the end
<Paul> so?
<Yogi> yeah sure
<sheep> the actual maps, the concept is not progressive
<Paul> like fighting games
<Yogi> yeah so ?
<than|q2> you go up some dumb ladder but imho it is dm, do you call playing 
  omicrons in quake single player?
<sheep> you are fighting for the sake of fighting...rather than with some greater goal
<than|q2> from what I heard the bots aren't THAT good either (but im still 
  downloading it :)
<Yogi> the goal is to reach the top ?
<sheep> yes
<Yogi> so .. 
<sheep> exactly the same as in deathmatch
<Yogi> your talking out yer ass
<sheep> the goal is to beat all the opponents
<Paul> no than because its random maps
<Paul> in these games
<sheep> an entirely different concept to single player
<Yogi> mm .. 
<Paul> the idea is to progress onwards
<Paul> yeap but
<Paul> if they'd done it like they're doing now what would you argue
<Yogi> maybe you should work for epic then .. go tell them how its done
<sheep> no no
<sheep> no need
<Yogi> you seem to be wiser
<Yogi> so ..
<sheep> they have chosen to do a multiplayer/botmatch game, without "FPS single 
  player", that is fine for them
<Paul> =)
<Yogi> or I will
<sheep> since ppl love dm passionately, that idea has it's virtues
<Yogi> go write up a rant , so I can fully understand your blah ..
<sheep> ummm
<Yogi> your speaking in riddles
<sheep> sorry you can't understand it
<sheep> i'm being perfectly clear....i'm not sure i could do much better in a rant
<sheep> besides, to be honest, the single player / botmatch difference is so 
  obvious, i thought everyone recognised it
<Yogi> sheep .. nothing personal .. 
<sheep> ummm
<Yogi> you have a point , so write something up on it
<sheep> i might yogi, i might
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