Chatting in #terrafusion:
_|_         = Me
cyBeAr      = The man with the interesting ideas
Vondur      = Vigil
Vigil       = Killes
Shambler    = Vondur

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<cyBeAr> read in the newspaper that cab drivers get a center in the brain enlarged as they 
  get more experience and learns how to naviagte the streets better and better
<_|_> yes
* _|_ read that too
<cyBeAr> the center has a lot to do with navigation
<cyBeAr> the question is do we get that too from navigating quake maps?
<_|_> hmmm
<_|_> well
<_|_> you do learn navigation in quake maps, but not nearly as much unless you play like
  thousands and memorise them all
<cyBeAr> they're small but we play a lot of them
<Vondur> Yes! Navigation! Like, pressing keys and stuff, y'know?
<_|_> but theoretically, if you play and memorise enough, you should do that
<cyBeAr> and no only quake maps
<cyBeAr> tons of diffrent game worlds
<_|_> yeah but a quake map is like memorising the inside of your house
<cyBeAr> and what effects does mapping have on the brain
<_|_> you'd have to memorise a lot to increase the brain size
<_|_> well
<_|_> i'm sure it improves the brain
<_|_> very much so
<Vondur> Creativity?
<_|_> but not necessarily in the same way as enlarging the "navigation nodes"
<_|_> but yeah....memorising game worlds....you do navigate more than perhaps the real life 
  average
<_|_> apart from cabbies and people who drive and/or walk a lot
<_|_> interesting, cybear
<Vondur> Bus drivers, maybe?
<Vigil> you know what
<Vigil> from playing doom so much
<Vigil> you must develop certain capacities
<Vondur> You know how to aim!
<_|_> vXXX: they have very limited routes
<Vigil> fighting ones
<Vondur> But they do drive around a lot, and in different buses with different routes
<Vigil> laying doom and quake , especially doom , must develop the 
  reflex+preditction+coordination+navigation center
<Vondur> And the routes may change
<Vigil> heeeeeeeeey these games are good for us :)
<_|_> not really, vxxx
<_|_> not nearly as much as cabbies as the bus route is fixed
<Vondur> That is true
<_|_> thing about maps and even games, is that the path is fairly obvious, you don't have to
  learn the way as it's fairly straightforward - you don't have to distinguish it from
  hundreds of other roads/buildings/areas like cabbies do
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<Vondur> Yer a cabbie?
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<Shambler> no
<Shambler> well
<Shambler> "no" as in "no i am not telling you any real life information you turd"
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<Vondur> Predictable
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<Shambler> killes your contribution to this otherwise interesting discussion is nothing but
  a shameless and unsubtle p1mp for playing doom, is that right??
<Killes> :)
<Killes> doom develops many skills :)
<cyBeAr> most gamers have played tons of games and know how to navigate in most of them
<Shambler> yes
<Killes> i also lernt to adapt to gameplays in no time
<Shambler> but what they have to navigate, in terms of finding routes, is very easy and hard
  to get lost in
<DanTheFryingPan> Very linear routes in most games
<Shambler> for example, e1m1 of quake, once you've got to the exit, it's very easy to
  remember that as there aren't 100 alternative routes
<Killes> :)
<Shambler> and i'm not sure how much people conciously remember
<cyBeAr> not all games are like that
<Shambler> for many SP games, you'll tend just to play and forget the route you took
<Shambler> okay, well i mean fps games generally
<Shambler> obviously stuff like, uh GTA or midtown madness will be different
<DanTheFryingPan> But if it's a really great game, you remember the game and the routes
<Shambler> but the routes don't take much remembering
<cyBeAr> adventure/rpg games and other games have often many routes
<Shambler> yeah, true
<Shambler> well
<Shambler> you *were* talking about quake originally
<cyBeAr> in quake dm it's a very important to know everything about navigating a level
<Shambler> yeah i agree for other games though....not that i actually play them
<cyBeAr> I don't play many other games now, I don't really play that much at all but I have
<Shambler> oh yeah bear - but the levels are simple, it's like remembering, i dunno, how to
  get around your house - rather than how to get around an entire city
<cyBeAr> but a city isn't too complicated either
<Shambler> heh
<Shambler> it obviously is given the amount of knowledge the cabbies need...
<Shambler> but with enough dm levels, you would increase your navigational database
<DanTheFryingPan> And the streets are complicated
<cyBeAr> well I think that research was based on the london cabbies
<cyBeAr> london is rather big
<Shambler> yeah
<Shambler> god
<Shambler> my mind is full of knowledge of routes around dm maps i don't need to know!!
<Shambler> argh
<cyBeAr> a true gamer (which I'm not, at least not anymore) plays very many games
* Shambler takes a spoon and starts removing bits of his brain
<cyBeAr> it's important thought to think about that not eveyone learns so much..
<Shambler> yeah
<cyBeAr> like a friend of mine that plays lots of video games and stuff, he never remembers
  how to navigate, both in rl and in games
<Shambler> hehe
<Shambler> depends on how attuned you are to navigating too
* Shambler is very well attuned to navigating in games and irl
<DanTheFryingPan> When I try to go the toilet I always end up at our kithcen
<Shambler> lol
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