Chatting in #terrafusion
Shambler   = Me
ziffon     = DM map maker
SleepwalkR = DM map maker

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<ziffon> http://www.insomniasoftware.com/
<ziffon> it's like quake meets resident evil
<Shambler> i want quake meets quake
<SleepwalkR> I'll have a look
<ziffon> :)
<SleepwalkR> I want Sleepy's fist meets shams nose =)
<ziffon> i want q1 meets q2 = q3
<SleepwalkR> ah...j/k
<Shambler> hmmmmmm
<SleepwalkR> ziff: I hope so too
<ziffon> yeah me too, but lately i've lost faith in id
<Shambler> i want q3a meets single player = THE REAL FUCKING QUAKE 3 A 
  PROPER GAME DAMMIT!!!
<ziffon> :)
<ziffon> i never bother the SP part anyway so...
<SleepwalkR> ziff: same here...
<Shambler> so you should have your pubes shaved off and be made to eat 
  them
<ziffon> hehe
<SleepwalkR> hehe
<SleepwalkR> sham you suck =)
<Shambler> and people like me are suffering because of ppl like 
  you....giving the wrong impression that Id have to make a DM only 
  game....
<Shambler> bastards
<Shambler> i hate you all
<ziffon> lol
<SleepwalkR> har har
<SleepwalkR> well, sham it's time to convert teamshambler to DMshambler
<ziffon> :) rite
<Shambler> i mean what utter cock: Q1, great SP, great DM ... Q2, great 
  SP, great DM !!!
<Shambler> simple as that it's just pure bollocks to make q3a dm only
<ziffon> nah
<ziffon> i thinks it's the idea of the century :)
<Shambler> why???
<Shambler> there is no point at all
<Shambler> id could have made q3a with proper sp and proper dm
<ziffon> well, how do i explain this in eng and writing?
<ziffon> no
<Shambler> they did it with q1, they did it with q2, and for all i know 
  they did it with fucking doom as well
<ziffon> the org. sp maps for q2 just werent good enough  for dm
<Shambler> if Id have proved one thing, it's that they can consistently 
  make games that combine both great SP and great DM
<ziffon> and only 8 dm maps suck
<Shambler> ziff: that's why you had dm1-8
<ziffon> yes...
<ziffon> too few
<Shambler> well, if people really want more variety in maps, why do 
  THEY ALL FUCKING PLAY on Q2DM1 THEN???
<ziffon> hehe
<ziffon> i don't 
<Shambler> people don't give a fuck about maps
<ziffon> true in a way
<Shambler> if they did, they would be playing the 100s of great custom 
  maps
<ziffon> yupp
<Shambler> if they really think 8 maps isn't enough, why the fuck 
  aren't they playing custom maps for example???
<ziffon> but i think most ppl dont even know u can make your own maps
<Shambler> i have a great idea!
<ziffon> because no server is running any
<Shambler> id should have made q3 a proper game
<Shambler> and got like 20 custom mappers to each make a map
<ziffon> it is a proper game
<SleepwalkR> sham: yeah
<SleepwalkR> that'd be cool
<ziffon> yeah
<Shambler> give them a beta release, textures and dm entities only, no 
  monsters or shit
<Shambler> then say, make a few maps, we'll chose the best
<ziffon> kool
<Shambler> and the game will ship with 40 SP levels, 8 Id levels, and 
  20 custom levels
<Juniorjr> i think that would delay the release date by a few of months 
<Shambler> so what???
<Juniorjr> so why not let id release the game with their own maps
<Shambler> i'd rather have a real game in december than a DM only 
  engine in August
<ziffon> hehe
<Juniorjr> and then let the custom mappers make their own
<ziffon> i want a game with no SP maps at all :)
<Shambler> because ziffon was saying about id having to make loads of 
  maps for DM
<Juniorjr> oh
<Shambler> well why should your wants spoil it for other people, ziff???
<ziffon> hehe
<ziffon> and the same goes for you shamb :)
<Shambler> what would be better, a great DM game that pleases only 
  DMers, or a great SP and DM game that pleases *everyone*???
<Shambler> ziff: no, i don't want a SP only game, I'm happy to have 
  kick ass DM too...
<ziffon> well, then q3 wont be released this year or even the next
<Shambler> bullshit
<Shambler> of course it could
<ziffon> :)
<ziffon> nah
<ziffon> why dont you play HL instead
<Shambler> just finished HL
<ziffon> ahh :)
<Shambler> the thing is, i like Id's styles the best
<Shambler> and the style of Q3a looks amazing, but the DM only game has 
  no appeal to me
<ziffon> well, i think id is doing the rite thing, and next time they 
  can make a sp game only
<ziffon> ahh
<ziffon> ok i see
<Shambler> okay
<Shambler> you look at q1, for example
<ziffon> i thin k there will be plenty of sp mods for q3
<Shambler> how much extra effort did that take id???
<ziffon> hehe
<Juniorjr> as long as they keep q3a easy to edit
<Shambler> absolutely fuck all effort
<Juniorjr> so ppl can make mods
<Shambler> same for q2
<Juniorjr> then its perfect
<Shambler> there is little extra in dm
<Shambler> it just works for id
<Shambler> they make dm, it works
<ziffon> both q1 and q2 suffer from lack of maps
<Shambler> they do not need to fuck around with all this tweaking and 
  stuff
<ziffon> there a just way too few mp maps
<Shambler> okay, but we've discussed that point
<Juniorjr> ziffon,
<ziffon> hehe
<Shambler> they could aslo make a style of SP maps that were better for 
  DM
<Juniorjr> there are more than 1000 dm maps for q1
<Juniorjr> peroid.
<Shambler> i've seen some maps that can work for both
<Shambler> junior, i'd say more like 3-5000
<Shambler> but most suck
<Juniorjr> and i guarantee there are more than 100 that are classic, 
  and major fun in dm
<Shambler> maybe 3-500 good ones
<ziffon> JR: tell me what server in sweden is runing those 1000 maps plz
<Shambler> okay
<Shambler> so the problem is NOt id having to make lots of maps
<Shambler> it's the fucking servers being narrowminded sods and not 
  running custom maps
<ziffon> word
<Shambler> and ppl being lazy cunts and not downloading them
<Shambler> BAH!
<ziffon> agree
* Shambler goes to kill a few server owners...
<Juniorjr> id should point out to the custom maps
<ziffon> lol
<Shambler> yes
<Shambler> see, id is all very happy to listen to ppl whining about 
  railgun firing rates
<ziffon> yeah, i agree, i think the custom map scene is getting way too 
  little suport from id
<Shambler> but not to actually make use of the huge resource of custom 
  mappers
<ziffon> :)
<Shambler> dm mappers at least
<ziffon> agree again
<SleepwalkR> cu later
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