Chatting in #terrafusion
Shambler   = Me
sp_borsato = Map maker

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<sp_borsato> Hey shamby think of all the eat sp possibilities
<sp_borsato> neat even
<sp_borsato> I bet there will be sp mods out within a month of the 
  release
<Shambler> bor: i think almost any sp mods made will be crap
<Shambler> compared to what id could do
<Shambler> i don't have high hopes at all
<sp_borsato> Not without Romero thay cant
<Shambler> as people are too prepared to make amateur stuff, and 
  not dedicate themselves to real quality
<sp_borsato> Maybe there will be an oficial third party q3 sp 
  misssion pack?
<Shambler> maybe
<Shambler> i had this idea that spog started
<Shambler> make a sp conversion, with all the player models as 
  monsters
<Shambler> convert ids own maps
<sp_borsato> who knows man, some kid out thre on his dads computer 
  might so some good stuff
<Shambler> stay very very true to id's style - use as much of 
  their stuff as possible so it's all top quality
<Shambler> but, i need a team to do that
<sp_borsato> hmm sounds interesting...
<Shambler> in fact, today evil lair found a team trying an sp mod, 
  but they gave no indication they were dedicated to single player
<Shambler> so, that pissed me off
<Shambler> it seems they wanted to mod q3a, and just chose single 
  player as an easy idea
<sp_borsato> how come they are doing a sp mod then?
<Shambler> see above
<sp_borsato> hmm bad idea
<Shambler> like, they gave no details, they don't seem to have 
  done anything involved in sp with other games
<sp_borsato> I bet it's quite possible to haxor the thing up with 
  all the different bot ai's and turn it into a real sp experience
<Shambler> yes bor
<Shambler> exactly
<Shambler> this was what i was discussing over the weekend
<Shambler> i'll edit the logs and send them to you
<sp_borsato> just remove the dm code but the leave the aggression 
  and give them 1 or 2 set weapons
<sp_borsato> cool
<sp_borsato> pls do
<Shambler> but it really needs people who are totally dedicated 
  to single player
<sp_borsato> that goes without saying.
<Shambler> and who are totally dedicated to making a quality 
  product
<sp_borsato> that to
<Shambler> i'm not dissing amatuers here though
<sp_borsato> Sometimes is hard not to :)
<Shambler> i know that many map makers make stunningly good maps
<Shambler> and some mod makers
<Shambler> but i've seen plenty of conversion stuff, and it often 
  sucks
<sp_borsato> Ah amatuers in the formal sense...
<Shambler> the thing is, amateur mappers are often actually 
  professional
<Shambler> i.e., their stuff is proffessional quality
<Shambler> for example....dm4, yeah yeah don't make me 
  laugh....summer, now that's more like it!!!
* sp_borsato likes shambler better and better :)
<Shambler> but to make a single player game to rival what id could 
  do, you would need a real dreamteam
<Shambler> hehe bor, just an example
<sp_borsato> :)
<Shambler> you would need top mappers, top coders
<sp_borsato> And good taste!!!
<Shambler> like mexx+ilkka+steve polge, for example
<sp_borsato> I get sick of good ideas that are implemented badly
<Shambler> well, i have good taste
<sp_borsato> yep
<Shambler> exactly bor!!!!
<Shambler> that's exactly what i mean
<sp_borsato> you aint a mapper coder or whatever though
<Shambler> hehe bor, i have ideas, taste, i can judge things
<Shambler> i have a dedication to single player and to high 
  quality stuff
<sp_borsato> the combination of good taste and all the required 
  technical skills is very rare
<Shambler> is it???
<sp_borsato> Shambler I know
<Shambler> a lot of dm mappers and many sp mappers have it
<sp_borsato> Isn't it?
<sp_borsato> I mean in a team
<Shambler> yes
<sp_borsato> In a mod team
<sp_borsato> Not individuals
<Shambler> well, it's getting the right team
<sp_borsato> But you know what..
<Shambler> what bor??
<sp_borsato> we will see heaps of shitty mods but I have the 
  feeling that at least some GREAT stuff will surface simply due 
  to the amount of exposure
<Shambler> yes maybe
<sp_borsato> we will have to see
<Shambler> but, from what i have seen, it's rare that a full sp 
  mod is good
<sp_borsato> I for one am willing and able to map for q3 sp
<sp_borsato> true
<Shambler> there are tonnes of good maps, but very few good sp mods
<sp_borsato> very true
<Shambler> i.e., ones that can rival the original games
<Shambler> imho, only zerstorer
<sp_borsato> what have ya: zerstore
<Shambler> yes
<sp_borsato> lol
<sp_borsato> hmm... mission packs dont count
<Shambler> no
<Shambler> even then
<sp_borsato> Maybe the one I am dl now..
<Shambler> the monsters and weapons are not as well made as the 
  original
<sp_borsato> And of course imho ikka's and mexx counts as mods
<Shambler> close, but not quite the same
<Shambler> ikkas doesnt
<Shambler> that's only 2 weapons and 5 maps
<Shambler> mexx, well even so
<sp_borsato> no? so?
<Shambler> it's barely modified
<sp_borsato> nonsense
<Shambler> i mean really new stuff
<sp_borsato> complete new textures
<sp_borsato> that IMPROVE on the originals
<Shambler> all new weapons, many maps (at least mission pack 
  size), new monsters, that sort of thing
<Shambler> okay okay
<Shambler> but its still only a few maps
<sp_borsato> I would rather play several ikka like things than one 
  badly executed episode
<Shambler> like, if ilkka did that for q3a, it wouldn't be of any 
  significance
<sp_borsato> apples and oranges
<sp_borsato> ikka would'nt do that for q3
<Shambler> because, it would only be a few maps
<Shambler> of course not
<sp_borsato> so dont compare that way :)
<Shambler> he's hoping q3a will go to hell so dkt suceeds!!
<Shambler> doh! i mean that type of thing - a few maps and all new 
  textures
<Shambler> that's not what q3a should be
<sp_borsato> Hmm that's abit negative
<Shambler> sorry
<Shambler> that's not what q3aSP should be
<Shambler> i'm not dismissing what ilkka did
<Shambler> his stuff is awesome
<Shambler> but, he did stuff with a SP game that already existed
<Shambler> he didn't convert a DM game to SP
<sp_borsato> That is the idea of a mod yes
<sp_borsato> airquake?
<Shambler> hehe that is quite cool
<sp_borsato> and a tc!
<sp_borsato> quake rally
<sp_borsato> quess!!! now that was cool
<Shambler> yeah okay okay
<Shambler> but, we don't need frigging q3achess
<Shambler> we need q3a SP
<sp_borsato> Well like I said
<sp_borsato> I think It is at least echnically feasible
<Shambler> very very feasible
<sp_borsato> tecnically even
<Shambler> especially if you use id models
<sp_borsato> There are some good user made ones
<Shambler> just need someone to do it right
<sp_borsato> Rorschachs
<sp_borsato> or bronto
<Shambler> someone to do it properly 
<sp_borsato> Pls Dont forget to mail me that log shambler.
<Shambler> i wont
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