Chatting in #guf
Shambler = Me
guf      = SP make maker and theorist

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<Shambler> what are you working on guf??
<guf> oops soryr
<guf> I was afk
<guf> I'm working on a version of those comments I posted so long ago
<Shambler> you mean your cyber thingy idea
<Shambler> well, what is that going to involve??
<guf> not fully sure yet...
<guf> but it isn't a strictly traditional sp style thing
<Shambler> well, yes, but you have a team, you have ideas right???
<Shambler> how much would this conflict with my idea???
<guf> no real team right now... just me, scribbling on paper ;)
<guf> I don't know how far I'm going to pursue it... there's other stuff I'd 
  like to work on
<Shambler> hmmmm
<Shambler> and the second qeustion??
<guf> well, it conflicts in that it's my idea and not yours ;)
<guf> hehe
<Shambler> be serious
<Shambler> does your idea involve the id "monsters" and the id style maps???
<guf> it would involve the player models... dunno about maps... probably
<Shambler> right
<Shambler> so exactly the same idea
<Shambler> you could have damn well said so right away!!!!
<guf> heh, I doubt it's exactly the same idea... those are broad details we're 
  talking about
<Shambler> okay
<Shambler> well is there a problem???
<Shambler> it seems to me the ideas could be too close
<guf> too close? I doubt it...
<Shambler> okay, how is yours different then
<guf> you want traditional sp, I'm working on a hybrid sp/dm
<Shambler> how so?
<guf> well, they way opposition and level completion is handled
<guf> the rather
<Shambler> go on...
<guf> traditional sp is linear
<Shambler> ish
<guf> my hybrid works sort of like pacman, if you will
<guf> retro-design
<Shambler> pac man
<Shambler> go on...
<guf> hehe
<Shambler> cmon, pac man doesn't tell me a lot
<guf> you have a disceet set of goals
<Shambler> he's a little round d0dd that eats ghosts
<guf> like in pacman, it's not a matter of crossing the board, it's what you do 
  within the board
<Shambler> such as
<Shambler> ???
<guf> collect all the goodies, eat ghosts
<guf> I'm working up a system of goals along similar lines
<Shambler> mmmmmmm
<guf> and the monsters don't just sit somewhere
<Shambler> well, how is that different to the usaual goals - collect key, turn 
  power generator off, lower bridge??
<guf> like the ghosts, they are free-roaming
<guf> shamb: not exactly
<guf> though there is some collection stuff, and keys
<Shambler> okay, hows it different?
<guf> um, it's kind of detailed
<Shambler> yes but i need to know
<guf> dunno how to explain it briefly
<guf> heh
<guf> you "need" to know, eh?
<Shambler> it's still not sounding like my idea is suitabley different to avoid 
  a conflict
<guf> oh, don't worry about it man...
<guf> mine will prolly never be made
<guf> it's mostly an excercise
<guf> for me
<Shambler> well i would worry if you start stealing coders and mappers
<guf> heh, from you?
<Shambler> well no not from me
<Shambler> before i even got a chance
<guf> ah
<guf> well, what can I say... if people are interested in working with me, 
  that's there business
<guf> I'm certainly not recruiting right now
<Shambler> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
<guf> got too much other stuff to worry about
<guf> are you planning new maps?
<Shambler> the idea was no
<Shambler> to make it simple as possible, and very importantly, to keep the feel 
  of the game the same
<Shambler> but to convert the maps, add them together, block off sections etc etc
<guf> ya, that makes sense...
<guf> ya, that would require mappers
<Shambler> yes
<Shambler> but, less effort than creating like 20 new maps!!!
<guf> ya
<Shambler> same with the monsters
<guf> well, it might be easier to just do new levels...
<guf> dm design differs greatly from sp design
<Shambler> i believe there is potential for conversion
<Shambler> particularly if you can add levels together
<Shambler> this is something i have been thinking about (for Quake) for a very 
  long time now
<guf> what? converting levels?
<guf> combining dm's?
<Shambler> yes
<Shambler> converting mainly
<Shambler> because, it's from looking at custom maps, and they can't really be 
  combined
<guf> well, there's a certain level of complexity in combining...
<Shambler> i can imagine
<Shambler> also, the a good idea would be to focus on a mission pack size - 15 
  levels maybe
<Shambler> which would give a lot of id levels to chose from and chop up
<Shambler> another point guf, is that some of unreals levels are rather DM like 
  and non-linear, and they still work
<guf> ya, I suppose...
<guf> I prefer pretty linear stuff tho for traditional sp
<guf> otherwise I usually get lost
<Shambler> hehe, i like exploration - LIKE IN DU!!!
<guf> heh, du was pretty linear!
<Shambler> apart from all the exploration
<Shambler> all the side areas and stuff, the little extra sections you don't 
  need to visit, that;s cool
<guf> ya
<guf> but they don't allow you to stray too far off the path
<Shambler> well, that's it - that's what i mean, it's not a problem
<guf> ya
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