Chatting in #terrafusion:
Shambler = Me
tron     = DM map maker
|ssexbat = DM map maker
dm_gonzo = DM map maker
Paul     = Reviewer

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<tron> I like that idea shamb, I've thought of sumthing like that, 
  the q3 player models look like theres going to be heaps of 
  monster alieny ones.
<Shambler> yes
<|ssexbat> Alien's are scarey.
<|ssexbat> heh
<Shambler> but, the most important thing, by a very very very long 
  way, is to make sure it's HIGH quality and sticks to the q3a 
  theme well
<dm_gonzo> talking about a map?
<tron> I reckon that all new levels would be better.
<Shambler> maybe
<Shambler> but that is another variable
<Shambler> more work to be done, more chance for things to go wrong
<tron> theres heaps of ppl who make models for q2, I reckon some 
  of them would be interested in making models for an sp pack.
<dm_gonzo> hehe
<Shambler> yeah
<dm_gonzo> talking about q3?
<tron> not really more chances for things to go wrong.
<Shambler> but, they'd have to be good
* dm_gonzo would like to do sp maps
<Shambler> id quality at least
<tron> you'd want it to be so that ppl could make new maps, so 
  they'd be a q3 SP mapping community of sorts.
<Shambler> oh yeah
<tron> and the developement team making all the maps from scratch 
  would help to iron out bugs.
<Shambler> true
<Shambler> but as i say, it would be a lot more work
<Shambler> also, it would be nice to stick to the id style and 
  looks as close as possible
<tron> it would be a pain if it was released with minorally 
  altered DM maps, then every discovers that they can't map for it 
  because it crashes.
<tron> theres heaps of ppl around, on the qboard for example, that 
  I reckon would be interested in joining this project.
<dm_gonzo> tell me bout the project
<Shambler> on it's way gonz
<tron> in that tchat log, you's are complaing that bsp to map 
  makes twice as many brushes as there were originally, winbspc 
  work almost perfectly.
<Shambler> i'm not
<Shambler> that's someone else
*** dm_gonzo is now known as Qui-Gon_Jinn
<|ssexbat> so, dudes, what kinda project are you going for? future 
  or gothic? or a mix?
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> gothis pls :)
<|ssexbat> hah
<Shambler> it would be whatever the main styles of q3a are
<tron> I've jsut been thinking shamb, imagine the sort of 
  graveyard effects and stuff you could create in q3 with the fog 
  ans shit.
<Shambler> so, a mixture of mostly gothic with some scifi
<Shambler> a bit like q1, i would think
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> hehe
<|ssexbat> cool.. and the meanies?
<tron> YAY!
<tron> I reckon that some of the really good q2 model makers might 
  be interested.
<Shambler> ssexy, that explains it all, q3aspbig.txt being the 
  most important
<tron> get whoever runs the q2pmp to put up an ad once you've got 
  the rest if the team and plan together.
<Shambler> hehe
<Shambler> there is no team
<Shambler> it was just an idea
<tron> no way, this has got to go ahead.
<Shambler> yes....
<Shambler> the thing is
<Shambler> i was discussing this before
<tron> I love DM, but the idea of Quake style SP with teh q3 
  visuals makes me drool.
<Shambler> then it turns out there is a team planning to make a q3 
  sp mod
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> hehe
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> *one* team?
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> lets form another one ;)
<Shambler> but, this team, they give no details, no indication of 
  what they are planning, no hint of past work, and most 
  importantly, no indication that they give a fuck about SP
<tron> whats the address for their page?
<Shambler> the things is, evil_lair has joined this team, and so 
  have some other ppl
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> gimme url
<tron> gimme gimme gimme.
<Shambler> but, i checked out the "page" (sorry, dunno the URL), 
  and it seems that they just want to make a mod for q3, and chose 
  sp as an easy option, rather than really caring about SP
<Shambler> it's at telefragged
<tron> dammit.
<Shambler> i'll find it
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> k
<tron> they might not ever get it off the ground then.
<Shambler> also, there is the guf issue
<Shambler> guf is very clever
<Shambler> he has good ideas
<Shambler> i'd want him,,,,but he has his own plans
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> he has?
<Qui-Gon_Jinn> what plans
* Qui-Gon_Jinn is not informed
<tron> The image keeps coming back to me of a gravyard, with 
  smooth rounded gravestones, and a thick layer of fog covering 
  hte ground.
<Shambler> something like this really needs very dedicated people
<Shambler> people who dearly love sp
<tron> yeah, guf's "pacman" idea.
<Shambler> who would give up all else they do on their pcs to 
  focus on a quality game
<tron> omg, pacman 3d.....
<Shambler> hehe
<tron> that's a sad thought.
<Shambler> gonxzo: read q3aspguf
<tron> this is seperate from b4 k shambler......
<tron> would you be prepared to try and learn how to map for this 
  mod?
<|ssexbat> pacman3d? I want it. Now.
<|ssexbat> heh
<tron> 8)
<Shambler> tron
<Shambler> errr no
<tron> what happened to all that "putting your hearts and souls 
  into this mod"?
<tron> you said b4 u didn't want to map because you were scared it 
  would be too hard.
<tron> now you're saying you want every1 who helps to put their 
  best effort in, but you won't even try?
<tron> hypocrism. 8(
<Shambler> no
<Shambler> their best effort for what they do
<Shambler> i wouldn't be asking mappers to model or vice versa
<tron> yeah, but you've never tried mapping.
<tron> you might be able to map
<Shambler> i'd be, like, running the project
<tron> you should at least try.
<Paul|fine_and_dandy> thanks Shamb
<Shambler> web sites, organisation, testing, checking, ideas, story
<Shambler> everything except actualy mapping or modeling
<Paul|fine_and_dandy> whats you chatting about?
<Shambler> that would be my role
<tron> paul:making a sp mod for q3.
<Paul|fine_and_dandy> ah
* Paul|fine_and_dandy switches off
*** Paul|fine_and_dandy is now known as Paul
*** Qui-Gon_Jinn is now known as Tattoine
<tron> wheres all the conversation gone?
<Paul> dead
* Tattoine is searchin'
<|ssexbat> hehe.. 
<Tattoine> hehhhh!
<Tattoine> conversation!
<Shambler> i'm trying to find the site of this planned q3sp mod
<Paul> erm,...
<Paul> quake3nation
<Shambler> hmnmm
<Shambler> okay
<Shambler> i just can't find the site for this q3asp mod
<Shambler> i'm sure it was at telefragged, in the mods section, 
  and it was done by a team who had made previous mods, but i 
  can't find it
<Shambler> oh i know!!
<Paul> q3sp.com
<Paul> ?
<Paul> hehe
<Shambler> haha paul
<Shambler> you are almost as funny as me, but not quite
<Paul> damn
<Paul> i thought i was the funny guy
* |ssexbat sets mode: +funny Paul
<Shambler> hehe
<Shambler> oh you are paul, no fear
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<Shambler> okay peeps, go here and tell me how, well, 
  uninformative this is... http://revenge.telefragged.com/q3rots/re
  venge.shtml
<|ssexbat> its okey.. not too informitive.. but it tells you where 
  your starting up from.
<Shambler> ssexy
<Shambler> it's a 2 line story
<Shambler> it says fuck all
<Shambler> i could have written that with a pen up my ass
<Shambler> you look at the irc logs i sent, you'll see 
  *information and ideas* there
<|ssexbat> well, how much did you know about quake1 when it came 
  out?
<tron> I reckon it doesn't say much because they won't know fully 
  what they are doing yet probably, they haven't even got a 
  development team.  And do you think that if they haven't even 
  STARTED the mod yet, they are going to list all the ideas so ppl 
  can steal them.
<Shambler> the thing is ssexy, i have little hope for a mod that 
  tells you so little, seems to have such a basic idea, and comes 
  from people who don't exihibt any dedication to SP
<tron> their project does look more ambitious than this one, but a 
  dif kind.
<Shambler> ambitious
<tron> theres is like a straight "play it then tuck it on a shelf 
  mod"
<Shambler> as i say, i'm pretty sure they wanted to mod for q3, 
  and just chose sp as an obvious option
<|ssexbat> yeah, i see what ur saying
<tron> while the one you are planning is basicaaly an openended 
  mod, that peopel can easily make new maps for.
<tron> shambler: How do you know?  And if they are, does it matter 
  so long as they have a good end product?
<Shambler> like, with me, you know where i am coming from - love 
  sp, love quality, i'm dedicated to promoting both
<Shambler> no, but i want an indication it IS going to be a good 
  end project
<Shambler> see, you'r just like evil, falling for their idea 
  because they have a web page with a half assed logo...
<tron> shambler, even if they had the best intentions, thats not 
  saying it will end up as a final good product.
<tron> No way shamb, I';m just trying to be fair.
<Shambler> heh
<tron> If there was a quake 3 sp mod I wanted to join, it would be 
  yours.
<Shambler> the thing is
<Shambler> like, take guf
<tron> I prefer the idea of the openened mod thing.
<Shambler> if he did a site for a q3asp mod, i would know it would 
  be good - because guf knows about sp, he made a fucking 
  excellent q2 unit, he's clever, he has lots of ideas and 
  theories - so if i saw a guf website, i'd be a lot more 
  optimistic
<tron> so are you going to do the q3thing as an sp project?
<Shambler> tron
<Shambler> i just don't know
<tron> you should at least get a possible team together and work 
  out some idas.
<Shambler> hmmm tron
<Shambler> yeah i know
<Shambler> but it seems, well, a lot of work
<tron> come on.
<tron> think about how good it would be.
<Shambler> i know
<Shambler> but to make a full game
<tron> it;s like tf has really survived because it was designed as 
  a openended patch, users made maps and stuff.
<Shambler> to get people willing to do that
<tron> you're not really altering that much.
<Shambler> i do really really love the idea of doing it
<Shambler> i know, but still
<tron> it's a lot fo work, but the guidelines are already in place.
<Shambler> it needs people who will say: "i WILL do this, no 
  matter what happens"
<tron> the engines already done.
<Shambler> also, it's long term
<tron> the models are already done.
<Shambler> like, would be starting later this year
<tron> I would say that...but I don't have a 3d card and don't 
  know when I'd be able to get one, so it'll be a bit hard for me 
  to work with a game I can't even play 8)
<Shambler> hehe
<Shambler> i could try
<Shambler> i could get a site up and ask for people
<Shambler> but as ray said in the chat, it's real hard to get a 
  reliable team
<Paul> hehehe
<Paul> tell me about it shamb
<Shambler> heh
<Shambler> exactly
<Shambler> and your only reviewing
<Paul> reliable?
<Paul> whats that...
<Paul> yeah
<tron> go and get ppl who you know, like ppl from the qboard.
<Shambler> (not demeaning it, but making a sp conversion would 
  require a lot more deciation)
<Shambler> the person i really wanted was guf
<Shambler> but he has his own plans
<Paul> the reward is the finished product with lots of people 
  playing it
<Shambler> reward shmeward
<Paul> oh ok
<tron> and lot's of ppl mapping for it.
<Shambler> for me, it would be getting a team to make a cool, fun 
  sp game from q3a
<Shambler> like, i don't even think about rewards
<Paul> erm... not too many
<tron> think about it shamb, wouldn't you like a whole new lot of 
  mappers mapping what are basically q1 maps in teh q3 engine?
<Shambler> yeah
<Shambler> well, not q1 maps
<Shambler> q1 style gameplay
<Shambler> q3 style maps
<tron> yeah
<tron> is guf going to do that "pacman" thingy?
<Shambler> i dunno
<Shambler> for him it's more of an abstract idea
<Shambler> rather than a real plan to do something
<tron> You should get some mappers to try and make some q3 style 
  levels in q1.
<Shambler> hehe
<Paul> are you just talking about starting project for sp in q3?
<Shambler> everyone is doing that already!!
<Shambler> paul, yeah
<Paul> or do you have story planned 
<Shambler> i have some good plans
<Shambler> no story yet
<Shambler> i'd do that
<Shambler> stories are fun
<Paul> which one shamb?
<Paul> ah ok
<tron> ..but have it openended.
<Shambler> which what??
<Paul> cool
<Shambler> have a look at that, it's what i'm on about
<Paul> nm
<Shambler> blrahrfd
<tron> it would be good if this could just be like one big 
  episode, openened (have you noticed yet that I'm convinced the 
  key to this mods survival is if it can be used my many others to 
  make sp maps?
<Shambler> yes
<Shambler> it would have the same style of gameplay and goals as 
  quake
<Shambler> i.e., simple, action focused
<Shambler> rather than this HL story driven stuff
<Shambler> not that there is anything wrong with story driven 
  stuff, but SP games seem to be focusing exclusively on story and 
  interaction, rather than good honest violence
<Shambler> this would redress the balance
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