Chatting in #terrafusion:
Shambler     = Me
Paul         = My DM reviewing arch-nemesis
Aardappel    = Rather strange DM mapper
notoriousRay = Mapper and part-time gangsta
Rush         = Inspector of maps
than|tv      = KTimpakt mapper
cyBeAr       = Q1 DM mapper

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<Paul> shamb : read your rant, and erm.. i agree
<Aardappel> um shambler, if the stats in your rant are from fileplanet, they are 
  fucked, as they indicate some totally crap dm map being downloaded in excess of 
  10 more than the most popular custom dm maps you can think of
<Paul> aard : thats how it is though
<Aardappel> yes
<Paul> crap maps seem to have more downloads
<Paul> than good ones
<Shambler> aard: no, those stats suit the purpose, as people will have downloaded 
  the levels based on: 1. pq's p1mpage, or 2. my reviews
<Frib> hehe
<Frib> maybe it's word of mouth
<Frib> "hey man, this map is SO BAD that you have to see it for yourself!!"
<Frib> hehe
<Paul> yeah
<Aardappel> i think in this discussion you have to turn the issue around: custom 
  maps are so very ignored in the first place, that a tiny bit of promotion can turn 
  things upside down
<Frib> good point
<Shambler> yes
<Frib> ignored, or people just aren't aware of it?
<Paul> so what are we doing?
<Shambler> which is a problem
<Shambler> well, i'm ranting and raving about it
<Shambler> =)
<Paul> hehe
<notoriousRay> not ignored
<notoriousRay> people just don't care
<Paul> yeah
<Shambler> people are just...what did i call them??
<Paul> i mean look at the news on PQ
<notoriousRay> its hard to get anyone to care about something they have relatively 
  little interest in
<cyBeAr> paul: aren't you going to put my shamb pic up?
<Aardappel> its not that RDE gets 1800 and damaul6 gets 300, u should imagine 
  they both should get 10000, but RDE was slightly less ignored thanks to PQ
<Shambler> "Shallow, stupid" and something else..."
<Paul> when i added the p3a review to inspection, it was something like : look 
  quake isn't dead. some peole still care visit blah blah,...
<Shambler> aardappel, it's the same point
<Aardappel> so its not as if Damaul6 has been done injustice compared to RDE
<Shambler> it has
<Aardappel> nope
<Shambler> by people not downloading it
<Frib> quake has never been dead
<Aardappel> u make it sound like it
<Shambler> it has
<Shambler> by people not downloading it
<Frib> PQ just went "let's focus on Q2 only especially mods!!"
<Frib> and most everything else was ignored
<Frib> I doubt that's an accurate reflection of what people want
<Shambler> obviously
<Frib> same thing is and will happen with pq
<Frib> same thing is and will happen with pq and q3
<Shambler> 1800 ppl want custom sp/speedrunning maps!!
<Aardappel> well ppl dont download ANY custom maps, RDE only looks overrated 
  RELATIVELY
<Paul> frib : i know that
<notoriousRay> rde was hyped as hell though
<notoriousRay> imo
<Paul> thats the impression that seems to be given by pq
<Shambler> yes ray
<Frib> I haven't downloaded it.. rde
<Rush> so what exactly is the problem here?
<Shambler> and that's why it got the downloads, while better, unhyped maps didn't
<Rush> is it that pq is not hyping every single q1SP map there is?
<notoriousRay> even without the rde potd on pq, the numbers prolly would have 
  been similar
<Shambler> no rush
<Shambler> well, yes in a way it is
<Shambler> it is part of the problem
<Aardappel> well i sure as hell was pissed of with RDE: it had 1000 rspeeds which 
  made my machine chug, it had NO gameplay, and all but 1 map were boring
<notoriousRay> so we just need to hype more maps
<Frib> couple of people have said the maps weren't that great, it's 7 meg, I don't 
  give a toss about speed running, and if I did want to speed run I can't anyway cos 
  the maps have 800-1000 r_speeds? Bah
<Shambler> ray: no, without potd, there would have been many less downloads
<Frib> moonlight on the other hand was a fine example of q1 sp
<Frib> even I enjoyed it!
<Frib> hehe
<Shambler> well yes, i'd say moonlight is the better map for sure
<Aardappel> yeh frib i thought about u when I saw those 1200 r_speeds
<Frib> the pic of the day was probably the main thing
<notoriousRay> i think we should all take 16 months to make our own maps
<Frib> I had 5 thousand hits in a couple of months or something when I was at 
  gibbed.com
<Frib> moved into pq, same rate of hits
<Shambler> ray: that includes learning to map, doing the mods, making the maps 
  and custscenes, testing etc etc
<Frib> the day I got pic of the day though? *bang* 3-4 thousand hits in 18 hrsd
<Shambler> and i don't see raydm1 or raysp1 anywhere either
<Shambler> exactly frib
<Frib> slowed down a lot after that of course, but you can see how much it affects it
<Shambler> and say it was the day efdm8 was released, and say jrdm1 was 
  released at the same time
<Frib> heh yeah
<Frib> speaking of the power of pimpage, I get a lot less downloads on maps now 
  that ramshackle is gone :/
<Shambler> if (it's just an example), that had happened, u might have got 2000 
  downloads for efdm8, and 400 for jrdm1
<Shambler> which would be terribley unfair on jr (in this example)
<Frib> checked the download stats on my maps, the ones that the shack featured 
  have as many as 3000+ downloads
<Shambler> sigh
<Frib> whereas the ones that were not there usually have less than 1 thosand
<Shambler> and efdm9 isn't one of them
<Frib> often a lot less
<Frib> :)
<Shambler> even though it 0WNZ
<Frib> hehe
<Shambler> gads
<Aardappel> frib how do u check dld stats?
* Shambler commits suicide as he can't stand it any more
<Frib> fileplanet tells you number of downloads
<Frib> can't check stats as in referrals
<Aardappel> lol fileplanet
<Frib> I know
<Frib> heh :/
<Aardappel> ok forget that then
<Frib> but it's decent enough to spot the general trend
<Frib> efdm11:
<Frib>                                  Downloads:
<Frib>                                         842
<Frib> efdm8:
<Frib>                                  Downloads:
<Frib>                                         2383
* Shambler doesn't know what to do....he has ppl slagging everything off in irc on 
  one side....and on the other side, Jesse@RDE and Lowtax@PQ emailing him on the 
  other.... FFS I'm trapped in the middle here!!
<Frib> heh these stats are buggered
<Aardappel> frib if the trend is that some author of "fullbritebox with 10 quads" is 
  10 times as popular as me, i don't wanna know
<than|tv> HAHAHAHAA!
<Frib> why is it so hard for fileplanet to work properly when the pq download center 
  did
<than|tv> shambler, you said you would let lose your full wrath
<Frib> when it's pretty much the same shit, with a different interface
<Shambler> i just refuted all of his points
<cyBeAr> I actually think it depends on how much the author pimp their work
<Shambler> i did like jesse before....so i gave him that much respect of answering 
  him fully
<cyBeAr> just send a mail to pq or something and tell them that you've made a kick 
  ass map
<Frib> they usually ignore it cybear.
<Shambler> unless your site is opening that day
<Shambler> and u get very lucky
<Frib> They seem to be getting better now tho. especially with the recent 'get all 
  the mappers in the world' scheme
<Frib> either that or there's fuck all other news around
<Shambler> ......
<Shambler> hmmmm but where's the promotion
<Frib> cos sometimes I go to the pq main page and they are mentioning new maps 
  or shambler's reviews etc
<Shambler> ooops
<cyBeAr> what happend to planetmaps?
<Shambler> hmmmm but where's the promotoion for moonlight then??
<Frib> the fileplanet stats truly are fucked.
<Shambler> (for example)
<Frib> It's telling me just over 1 thousand for efdm5
<Frib> when I know for a fact it used to be over 3k
<Frib> cos it was at the shack AND level of the week
<Frib> shambler.. I dunno
<Shambler> me neither....
<Frib> I am still unsure why they decided to host all the mappers
<Shambler> $$$$$$
<Shambler> =)
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